On 13/05/2010 1:10 PM, Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS
Trust) wrote:
Thanks
Heather
Sounds good, though
my sense is that if the "clinical" workshop appears to have been
allocated 6 hours (1.5 x4) and the "technical" (developers) workshop
has 1.5 hours on Monday, there will be attendees on the Saturday that
will want to get into the technical detail you want to avoid?
I know it is 'not fair' but I'm not sure that we can change the scope
of the accepted proposal in order to even it out. I understood that
the accepted workshop paper will be published and so we cannot change
at whim, especially in terms of the expected audience and expected
learning outcomes. I'm happy to be corrected...
As I've said previously, I think that we do have some room for
flexibility in the final session and certainly a willingness to do so.
As the Saturday sessions
are currently labelled openEHR I- IV in the "draft" programme we should
be asking the organisers to amend the session titles to avoid
confusion..
We can certainly request that.
Building overlap between
the final "openEHR in action" session on the Saturday and the
developers session on the Monday sounds a good way to align.
Absolutely
Awaiting some reaction
from the technical side....
me too;-)
Regards
Tony
From: Heather
Leslie [omowizard@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Heather Leslie
[heather.leslie@oceaninformatics.com]
Sent: 13 May 2010 13:43
To: Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust)
Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions; For openEHR technical
discussions
Subject: Re: Medinfo 2010 openEHR tutorial collision
Hi Tony
On 13/05/2010 9:17 AM, Tony Shannon wrote:
Thanks Heather
I see from the "clinical" proposal how the 4 sessions on the Saturday
are to be split...
Session 1: Introduction
Break
Session 2: Focus on Archetypes
Lunch
Session 3: Focus on Templates
Break
Session 4: openEHR in action
My reading of this is that there will be a mix of clinical and technical
language used to step through these sessions,
As primary author, the original intent was to be focused on the
engagement of clinicians and those with no openEHR background - a
primer if you like - and to keep the technical content to a practical
minimum, assuming that there would be an equivalent technical
opportunity.
Now that has not eventuated but as I said in the previous email, I need
advice as to how much we can move from our accepted proposal - I
suspect we are largely bound to it as is, but can see the flexibility
to present more technical aspects within the context of the final
session - openEHR in action.
which if done well
should be fine.
#Suggestion #1
Within the clinical workshop, I expect novice clinicians to come with a
common clinical requirement in mind and be keen to see how that ends up
at the UI layer, where the vast majority of clinicians meets the
technology..
ie
1.Assume we should be taking a common requirement, eg Patient Summary
2.explore related archetypes required, eg in CKM
3.creation of related template
4.exposure of said template at UI layer..
This is largely what was proposed as part of #3 - after a general
introduction in session #1, and information about archetypes/CKM in #2,
then we can showcase the templates with a practical example such as you
suggest in #3
(While I'm cc'ing the technical list in here, how much technical debate
do the technical community expect will be generated by this "clinical"
proposal?
The current state of the template spec and the challenge of translating
archetypes and templates into the UI layer comes to mind and could get
quite technical...)
IMO this workshop is definitely not the place for this kind of
discussion!
Also my sense is that the developers session on the Monday will replay
many of these issues, which is why I'm suggesting ...
#Suggestion #2
we need to coordinate between these sessions to ensure a consistent
message and the highlights from the pre-conference sessions can be
"replayed" during the intra-conference session..
I would love to see the final session #4 especially be coordinated so
that it can be a seamless segue into the technical session on the Monday
Regards
Heather
Regards,
Tony
Heather Leslie wrote:
I'm very happy to receive your advice on this.
We have a great opportunity with the full day workshop and afternoon
technical workshop, however I don't feel that we have total freedom to
rearrange our proposed workshop plan.
We have provided an outline of the proposed plan and included the
statement that the full day clinical modelling workshop assumes no
previous knowledge of openEHR, that it will be clinical modelling
focused, clinicians are encouraged to attend, and there are explicit
'educational goals'. This information will be used by potential
attendees to choose whether to attend or not, so to transform the
program significantly is probably not advisable. The most flexibility
is probably in the final session where we aim to show openEHR in real use.
What are your suggestions in order to achieve best outcomes?
Cheers
Heather
On 12/05/2010 7:53 AM, Tony Shannon wrote:
Thanks Eric, Koray, Shinji, Heather, Seref,
The way the programme outlines openEHR sessions looks ripe for potential
confusion...
A search of the draft programme by keyword highlights openEHR 5 times,
(#1-4) openEHR sessions I-IV over the day on the Saturday 11th September
(#5) openEHR developers session on the evening of Monday 13th September
I'd suggest that the clinical and technical sides of the openEHR
community need to agree between us how to blend our efforts together to
get the best value for our time and those that want to come and learn.
The best format that comes to mind would be to;
-A) use to 4 sessions on the precongress tutorial on the Saturday 11th
to explore how healthcare can change for the better with openEHR over
those 4 sessions, by blending the "clinical workshop" proposal with the
"openEHR developers workshop" proposal in successive stages over the day..
something along the lines of... Context & Intro re need for change;
Clinical/Technical Requirements -->Design/Build --> and then
Implementation + Clinical/Technical Benefits of openEHR
-B) take the highlights of that day, with clinical + technical blend
into a single session for replay on the Monday 13th, to the different
audience that can be anticipated on that first day of the formal conference.
I appreciate that might be seen to be disruptive of the existing
proposals, but I'm sure they can be blended effectively.
I'm thinking of the novice to openEHR who will want to come away with an
understanding of how clinicians and technical folk can work together to
get a job done and a view that the openEHR approach is the way to go...
Happy to get bounced back on this. We havent had enough debate on this
list of late, so again I'm trying to provoke!
Regards,
Tony
Dr. Tony Shannon
Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Leeds Teaching Hospitals
Clinical Lead for Informatics, Leeds Teaching Hospitals
Chair, Clinical Review Board, openEHR Foundation
+44.789.988 5068 tony.shannon@nhs.net
Erik Sundvall wrote:
Hi!
The recently published preliminary Medinfo 2010 programme at...
http://www.medinfo2010.org/docs/Draft_Conference_Programme.pdf
...lists two openEHR tutorials in parallel...
1. OpenEHR I - IV (Saturday 11 September 9:00-17:00)
2. EHR implementation tips I-II (Saturday 11 September 9:00-12:30)
If I understand the content of the tutorials correctly, these are
renamed versions of the ones mentioned on...
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa
1. Clinical Modeling Workshop Proposal
2. The openEHR developers' workshop
If so, then I think it would be advantageous for somebody interested
in openEHR to first attend 1 and then if they have a technical
implementation interest to also attend 2.
Is there an interest among the openEHR community in asking the
organizing comitte to move #2 to sunday the 12:th instead or does it
not matter for most of you?
I'll send a copy of this mail to info@medinfo2010.org as an early
notice, and then sum up the response from the lists and/or comments on
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa
in a follow up mail later.
In addition to the reason above, about #2 partially building on
understanding possible to gain in #1, it is also rather tricky
flight-wise, but hopefully possible, for some of us involved in #2 to
be there in time on the morning the 11:th.
Best regards,
Erik Sundvall
erik.sundvall@liu.se http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/ Tel: +46-13-286733
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