Re: Medinfo 2010 openEHR workshop
Hi Tony, I'm registered to attend - just need to sort out the funding and to book my flights... See you there, Derek. Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust) wrote: > Thanks Koray, > > Been away for a bit but would be good to restart this thread.. as > September is getting closer. > > Let me restart with a shout of hands as to how many on the list > expect to be there? > Its coming time to look at flight arrangements soon.. > > (NB Welcome any other thoughts on workshop too)... > > Regards, > > Tony > ________________________________________ > From: openehr-clinical-bounces@openehr.org > [openehr-clinical-bounces@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Koray Atalag > [k.atalag@auckland.ac.nz] > Sent: 17 May 2010 11:01 > To: For openEHR clinical discussions > Cc: For openEHR technical discussions > Subject: RE: Medinfo 2010 openEHR tutorial collision > > Resending as plain text - bounced back due to file size when I replied > > --------- > Hi, so it looks we are definitely going to have the clinical > modelling workshop on Saturday. > > Looking at the discussions between Tony and Heather I note that there > is an agreement on finishing up the workshop by demonstration the > whole continuum of requirements>modelling>design>development. I > totally agree. Indeed we haven't yet discussed about individual > presentations but this is how I had in mind about my presentation. I > will start with the requirements for archetype modelling in endoscopy > domain, then present archetypes and the final template which will > then be followed with demonstration of our .Net/C# openEHR > implementation of an endoscopy report generator application with an > emphasis on GUI aspects. I also want to touch software > maintainability as a merit of modelling using openEHR. I think this > flow fits well into what you think. > > Perhaps we should all start discussing how to design the whole > workshop. > > Cheers, > > -koray > > > From: openehr-clinical-bounces@openehr.org > [mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Heather > Leslie > Sent: Friday, 14 May 2010 5:43 a.m. > To: Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust) > Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions; For openEHR technical > discussions > Subject: Re: Medinfo 2010 openEHR tutorial collision > > > > On 13/05/2010 1:10 PM, Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS > Trust) wrote: > Thanks Heather > > Sounds good, though my sense is that if the "clinical" workshop > appears to have been allocated 6 hours (1.5 x4) and the "technical" > (developers) workshop has 1.5 hours on Monday, there will be > attendees on the Saturday that will want to get into the technical > detail you want to avoid? > I know it is 'not fair' but I'm not sure that we can change the scope > of the accepted proposal in order to even it out. I understood that > the accepted workshop paper will be published and so we cannot change > at whim, especially in terms of the expected audience and expected > learning outcomes. I'm happy to be corrected... > > As I've said previously, I think that we do have some room for > flexibility in the final session and certainly a willingness to do so. > > > As the Saturday sessions are currently labelled openEHR I- IV in the > "draft" programme we should be asking the organisers to amend the > session titles to avoid confusion.. > We can certainly request that. > > Building overlap between the final "openEHR in action" session on the > Saturday and the developers session on the Monday sounds a good way > to align. > Absolutely > > > Awaiting some reaction from the technical side.... > me too;-) > > > Regards > > Tony > > ________________________________________ > From: Heather Leslie [omowizard@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Heather > Leslie [heather.leslie@oceaninformatics.com] > Sent: 13 May 2010 13:43 > To: Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust) > Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions; For openEHR technical > discussions > Subject: Re: Medinfo 2010 openEHR tutorial collision > Hi Tony > > On 13/05/2010 9:17 AM, Tony Shannon wrote: > Thanks Heather > > I see from the "clinical" proposal how the 4 sessions on the Saturday > are to be split... > Session 1: Introduction > Break > Session 2: Focus on Archetypes > Lunch > Session 3: Focus on Templates > Break > Session 4: openEHR in action > My reading of this is that there will be a mix of clinical and > technical > language used to step through these sessions, > As primary author, the original intent was to be focused on the > engagement of clinicians and those with no openEHR background - a > primer if you like - and to keep the technical content to a practical > minimum, assuming that there would be an equivalent technical > opportunity. > Now that has not eventuated but as I said in the previous email, I > need advice as to how much we can move from our accepted proposal - I > suspect we are largely bound to it as is, but can see the flexibility > to present more technical aspects within the context of the final > session - openEHR in action. > > which if done well > should be fine. > > #Suggestion #1 > Within the clinical workshop, I expect novice clinicians to come with > a > common clinical requirement in mind and be keen to see how that ends > up > at the UI layer, where the vast majority of clinicians meets the > technology.. > ie > 1.Assume we should be taking a common requirement, eg Patient Summary > 2.explore related archetypes required, eg in CKM > 3.creation of related template > 4.exposure of said template at UI layer.. > > This is largely what was proposed as part of #3 - after a general > introduction in session #1, and information about archetypes/CKM in > #2, then we can showcase the templates with a practical example such > as you suggest in #3 > > (While I'm cc'ing the technical list in here, how much technical > debate > do the technical community expect will be generated by this "clinical" > proposal? > The current state of the template spec and the challenge of > translating > archetypes and templates into the UI layer comes to mind and could get > quite technical...) > > IMO this workshop is definitely not the place for this kind of > discussion! > > Also my sense is that the developers session on the Monday will replay > many of these issues, which is why I'm suggesting ... > #Suggestion #2 > we need to coordinate between these sessions to ensure a consistent > message and the highlights from the pre-conference sessions can be > "replayed" during the intra-conference session.. > > I would love to see the final session #4 especially be coordinated so > that it can be a seamless segue into the technical session on the > Monday > > Regards > > Heather > > Regards, > > Tony > > > Heather Leslie wrote: > > I'm very happy to receive your advice on this. > > We have a great opportunity with the full day workshop and afternoon > technical workshop, however I don't feel that we have total freedom to > rearrange our proposed workshop plan. > > We have provided an outline of the proposed plan and included the > statement that the full day clinical modelling workshop assumes no > previous knowledge of openEHR, that it will be clinical modelling > focused, clinicians are encouraged to attend, and there are explicit > 'educational goals'. This information will be used by potential > attendees to choose whether to attend or not, so to transform the > program significantly is probably not advisable. The most flexibility > is probably in the final session where we aim to show openEHR in real > use. > > What are your suggestions in order to achieve best outcomes? > > Cheers > > Heather > > On 12/05/2010 7:53 AM, Tony Shannon wrote: > > Thanks Eric, Koray, Shinji, Heather, Seref, > > The way the programme outlines openEHR sessions looks ripe for > potential > confusion... > > A search of the draft programme by keyword highlights openEHR 5 times, > (#1-4) openEHR sessions I-IV over the day on the Saturday 11th > September > (#5) openEHR developers session on the evening of Monday 13th > September > > > I'd suggest that the clinical and technical sides of the openEHR > community need to agree between us how to blend our efforts together > to > get the best value for our time and those that want to come and learn. > > > > The best format that comes to mind would be to; > -A) use to 4 sessions on the precongress tutorial on the Saturday 11th > to explore how healthcare can change for the better with openEHR over > those 4 sessions, by blending the "clinical workshop" proposal with > the > "openEHR developers workshop" proposal in successive stages over the > day.. > something along the lines of... Context & Intro re need for change; > Clinical/Technical Requirements -->Design/Build --> and then > Implementation + Clinical/Technical Benefits of openEHR > > -B) take the highlights of that day, with clinical + technical blend > into a single session for replay on the Monday 13th, to the different > audience that can be anticipated on that first day of the formal > conference. > > I appreciate that might be seen to be disruptive of the existing > proposals, but I'm sure they can be blended effectively. > > I'm thinking of the novice to openEHR who will want to come away with > an > understanding of how clinicians and technical folk can work together > to > get a job done and a view that the openEHR approach is the way to > go... > > Happy to get bounced back on this. We havent had enough debate on this > list of late, so again I'm trying to provoke! > > > Regards, > > Tony > > Dr. Tony Shannon > Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Leeds Teaching Hospitals > Clinical Lead for Informatics, Leeds Teaching Hospitals > Chair, Clinical Review Board, openEHR Foundation > +44.789.988 5068 tony.shannon@nhs.net > > > Erik Sundvall wrote: > > > Hi! > > The recently published preliminary Medinfo 2010 programme at... > http://www.medinfo2010.org/docs/Draft_Conference_Programme.pdf > ...lists two openEHR tutorials in parallel... > 1. OpenEHR I - IV (Saturday 11 September 9:00-17:00) > 2. EHR implementation tips I-II (Saturday 11 September 9:00-12:30) > > If I understand the content of the tutorials correctly, these are > renamed versions of the ones mentioned on... > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa > 1. Clinical Modeling Workshop Proposal > 2. The openEHR developers' workshop > > If so, then I think it would be advantageous for somebody interested > in openEHR to first attend 1 and then if they have a technical > implementation interest to also attend 2. > > Is there an interest among the openEHR community in asking the > organizing comitte to move #2 to sunday the 12:th instead or does it > not matter for most of you? > > I'll send a copy of this mail to info@medinfo2010.org as an early > notice, and then sum up the response from the lists and/or comments on > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa > in a follow up mail later. > > In addition to the reason above, about #2 partially building on > understanding possible to gain in #1, it is also rather tricky > flight-wise, but hopefully possible, for some of us involved in #2 to > be there in time on the morning the 11:th. > > Best regards, > Erik Sundvall > erik.sundvall@liu.se http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/ Tel: +46-13-286733 > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-clinical mailing list > openEHR-clinical@openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > > > > -- > > > ******************************************************************************************************************** > > This message may contain confidential information. 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