Followed the link Ian but no can see.
Sam
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[mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces@chime.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian
McNicoll
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 9:13 PM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions
Subject: Re: Template and Schema for the ASTM Continuity of Care Record
(CCR) and HL7 CCD
Good idea,
I have made a start here
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252Bg4cP4uwwA
More to follow..
Ian
PS If anyone wants to participate but has no access to Google Wave, just let us
know. When this last arose, there were plenty of offers to give out Wave
invitations from community members.
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On 24 February 2010 11:07, Alberto Moreno Conde <albertomorenoconde@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Ian,
I think that this is a very good idea. Do you think that a Google wave would be
a good place to work?
Regards
2010/2/24 Ian McNicoll <Ian.McNicoll@oceaninformatics.com>
Hi Koray,
Thanks for the links.
The "HL7 CDA Personal Healthcare Monitoring Report Draft" is the
standard to which we are working. CKM now contains a CLUSTER.device archetype
which is compatible with the draft standard. Other aspects of the various
device readings will be handled within 'normal' CKM archetpye e.g. Heart
rate-Pulse, Blood pressure and Oximetry. There is also now a CLUSTER.waveform
archetype to hande this form pf device output.
Hi Ian, I am pretty excited
to hear what you are up to.
We are currently running a
rather large trial here in New Zealand around establishing an evidence base on
the use of telemonitoring for chronic disease management. Obviously we will
have large amounts of device data comprising mainly vital signs as well as
basic medical information in the clinical backend. So we are looking at a
pathway to do the clinical information requirements and modelling with openEHR
and then transforming this into CCD. I have so far seen that this is indeed
doable by means of deriving archetype specific transform and that the art of
doing this is how we structure the template and leverage existing high quality
archetypes.
The answer to your question
is: Yes I am volunteering!
I have came across a few
recent publications on the use of CDA/CCDD which you might find interesting:
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Wolf K, Schirmer S, Marschollek M, Haux R. Representing
Sensor Data Using the HL7 CDA Personal Healthcare Monitoring Report Draft.
Stud Health Technol Inform 2009;150:480-484.
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Spyropoulos B, Tzavaras A, Botsivaly M, Koutsourakis K.
Ensuring the Continuity of Care of Cardiorespiratory Diseases at Home.
Monitoring Equipment and Medical Data Exchange over Semantically Annotated
Web Services [Internet]. Methods Inf Med 2010 Feb;49(2)[cited 2010 Feb 10 ]
Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.ezproxy.auckland.ac.nz/pubmed/20135082
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I will soon put these and
some other relevant stuff into the Zotero openEHR group: http://www.zotero.org/groups/openehr/items
Cheers,
-koray
Hi Alberto/ Anton et al,
The _expression_ of CCD in openEHR is vitally important but I think we want
to be able to do this by creating CCD-aligned templates of the official openEHR
(CKM) archetypes, wherever possible. In general the CKM archetypes, because of
the 'maximal dataset' approach are supersets of CCD templates. We can then
constrain down the CKM archetypes to match the CCD templates, adding the relevant
term and termset bindings.
We should definitely be doing this in a shared,international space and it seems
to me that this would be a great opportunity to use the newly arrived CKM
Template review facility to create and review a set of CCD templates at www.openehr.org/knowledge
What we need is for people to look at the relevant CKM archetypes and try to
identify any gaps or mis-alignments from a CCD perspective, and then either
contribute to the formal reviews or simply add comments to the archetype. The
top 10 CKM archetypes thatwe are currently working through are very similar in
scope to the CCD templates.
Doing things this way will greatly reduce the work overall and will result in a
set of good quality CKM archetypes that are wholly CCD compatible. We can then
start to add simple transforms that can convert native openEHR data into
valid CDA XML. I am currently involved in just such an example for importing
CDA-based device data but is heavily based on CCD templates.
Any volunteers for a CCD template team for CKM? I have copied this to the
Clinical list as I think there will be some interest there as well.
Ian
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On 23 February 2010 13:03, Alberto Moreno Conde <albertomorenoconde@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Anton,
At the moment I am working dissertation about the archetype
development process for the MS in Health Informatics in Trinity
College, at the same time I am working in the University Hospitals
Virgen del Rocio in Spain in a project that involves the a system
implementation based in archetypes and HL7 CDA. I agree with you that
our work is very related since I need map from CDA to Archetypes and
HL7 CCD looks like the first step in my journey. I think that there
are many people working doing similar things and a lot duplicated
work. I hope also that the outcome of your project will help to foster
the archetype widespread. Are your future developed archetypes going
to be shared at the end of your project? In what point of development
are you now?
Kind Regards
Alberto
2010/2/23 Anton Brass <anton.brass@helmholtz-muenchen.de>:
> Dear Alberto Merona Conde,
>
> my name is Anton Brass and I'm working on a research project
> (http://www.helmholtz-muenchen.de/en/bymedconnect/home/index.html)
in
> Germany about communication of health data between different health care
> institutions based on the 13606. For this purpose we analyse the CCR and
our
> next step is to create (or adapt) an archetype (of course several
> archetypes) that should represent it.
>
> May I ask what are you working on? Maybe we have some intersections in our
> research work.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Anton
>
> Alberto Moreno Conde schrieb:
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the openEHR Specifications Strategic Directions for 2008 there was
> the creation of templates and schemas for the Continuity of Care
> Record (CCR) and HL7 CCD. In what stage is this project and where
can
> I find more information about?
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Alberto
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